Inverted
Water Balloon Theory
1. Lower upside down and deflated.
2. Secure to the sea floor.
3. The balloon should be place just
above the area where the pressure from
the leak slightly weakens and the oil
starts to disperse.
4. The balloons will fill and tankers
will be strategically place to pump the
oil from the balloon.
5. If the tankers cannot keep up with
the rate at which the balloon fills it
may be disconnected and and another
shall be put in place.
6. Of course there will be collateral
leakage in the exchange but what will be
contained and salvaged will be
exponentially higher than what is
currently being done.
7. I am not sure if this is a
possibility but…if Blimp material can
contain oil, these aircraft may be
modified to perform the task. They
possess 70000 cubic feet in volume which
calculates to 523,636 gallons, which
would definitely provide some relief.
Matthew.Bello@craven.k12.nc.us
Ladies and
Gentlemen: WILL YOUR SOLUTION WORK BETTER
THAN THIS ?
Ixtoc 1
with these same players apparently tried a
Sombrero capture which failed. The LMRP if
properly sealed against the Flange with
super screws plus held down with a beveled
MACHINED SEAL against the FLANGE UPPER
SECTION would be similar to the CPP but
remember they intend to reduce the outlet
pipe and also not cut away the increased
flow riser stub which should perhaps be
hydraulically BORED OUT if they are not
going to take and use ROV’s with sockets to
take apart the entire flange. Notice the
flange is put together with some Bolt heads
going UP and some bolt heads going DOWN due
to the restrictions. Cutting the Riser that
is showing such damage and stretch areas is
dangerous if they intend to use same with
super weights on top which is going to
create pressure itself. Anything would
initially work to drain off a little OIL but
without full complete seal with 30,000 PSI
weights or total securing with shutoffs what
chance do you feel would be involved Steve?
America cannot keep waiting for this rig to
be either SAFE or SECURED ! I add one of my
son’s in these messages now as Adrian is in
North Carolina which may be involved with
anticipated ‘relocation or evacuation’
should any more problems from another BP rig
or Trans Ocean Rig get involved now or later
because of the time taken to review
everything and make suggestions since
042610.
See the
same flange above the BOP connections with
matches perhaps identical to the top of the
BOP. Wonder if somewhere BOP does have the
top Flange with 21 inch riser package which
can be brought to the scene and matched up
with special consideration to using EXTERNAL
LINES with check valves for HYDRAULIC
leaving MUD lines or Cement Lines the same.
Critical is the Hydraulic Lines with Check
Valves plus perhaps 5000 feet of hydraulic
lines strapped to the side of the flotation
unit. Flotation unit is the ONLY ANSWER to
keep the pipe floating easily from BOP to
Gulf Surface. Don’t ask me which GE pipe
color is heavier Flotation but ALL HAVE
COLLARS OF FLOTATION NOT SEEN YET ON ANY
RISER PIPE FROM DEEPWATER HORIZON.
As
stated if 350 Rigs have no flotation then
the entire gulf is in trouble at any moment
and Florida plus North America, Islands and
even Europe may be in danger if another well
goes crazy blowing out. Suggestions for
LAWS AND INSPECTIONS relative to these 8
story units lying on the sea bed with
special TEES where CEMENT AND VALVES CAN
SHUT DOWN ALL UNITS were sent after thinking
carefully about this site and dangers to rig
crews plus those in the Gulf region. At 70
I do not have to worry but when will those
CAPPED STEEL PIPE CASINGS RUPTURE OR
FRACTURE BLOWING FULL CONTAMINATION ON LAND
AND SEA ??? How long before a 7.0 or 8.9
EARTHQUAKE makes these items fall over on
the ocean floor causing utter DISASTER ?
1979 Ixtoc 1 proved it can happen in a flash
to these same players. Today is June 2 of
2010. The President and Federal Inspectors
NEVER took into account this type of
disaster….NOW THEY WILL PAY ATTENTION !
Why will
no one get another BOP top flange, put in
the same pipe connections for hydraulic and
Mud, make the entire pipe section FLOTATION
GE RISER staying at 21 inches then ensure
check valves on hydraulic to repower the BOP
and have check valves at initial connection
and near top of Gulf as they build it with
ALL FLOTATION RISE GE PIPE. Seems one would
desire NEVER to see the pipe fall to the sea
bed and crimp in so many places thus the
SUPER FLOTATION PIPE would be in order and
actually should be mandatory in all Rigs.
GE HMF Class H 21 Inch Riser
is all FLOTATION PERFECTION
Flotation allows no doubt for
OIL, Water, Gas, but minus
Check Valves and Shutoff
Valves (GATE VALVES ROUND
WHEEL SO ROV CAN SHUT IT DOWN
UP NEAR SURFACE
OR DOWN NEAR BOP )
GOD HELP
NORTH AMERICA AND ALL ISLANDS IF THIS IS NOT
ADDRESSED AND STOPPED SOON !
Ralph
Ralph
Charles Whitley, Sr. CFCO32631
Backflow Prevention, Inc.
4532 W. Kennedy Blvd. PMB-276
Tampa, Florida 33609-2042 USA
Phone: 813-286-2333
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Rear Admiral
Landry and others:
Watching the BENT pipe with flange I have a
question worthy of review.
BOP made by Cameron and they MUST have TOP
PARTS sitting somewhere on the Planet. It
is possible to USE A SOCKET SET ON ROV and
back out the bolts seen then attach a CLAMP
LIKE C CLAMP tightened on four or five
sections of the FLANGE since you have
minimum pressure. Once all bolts are
removed a simple PIPE can push off the C
CLAMPS and unit can be taken up to the
surface later.
NEW FEMALE FLANGE with hookup and GE
FLOTATION WITHOUT PROBLEM CAN BE REPLACED ON
SAME MAKING SEAL. PIPE WOULD BE 90 FOOT
TALL HELD BY CRANE WITH BOLTS WELDED TO HAVE
ROV SET SAME DOWN ON FLANGE THEN SIX OR
EIGHT SOCKET SETS COULD ALLOW ROV TO TAKE
ONE (ALL WITH TAPED COVERS WITH ONE BOLT NUT
IN EACH) PUT IT ON THE ROV ARM MATCH UP FOR
SOCKET SET THEN TIGHTEN DOWN ONE NUT ONTO A
BOLT WELDED IN PLACE THEN DISCARD THE SOCKET
TO FLOAT TO SURFACE OR WHEREVER, SELECT
ANOTHER SOCKET WITH NUT THEN DO IT OVER AND
OVER LEAVING 4 EXTRA SOCKETS WITH NUTS AS
EMERGENCY DEMANDS.
Once attached the top of the flotation GE
pipe will have a flanged hookup with SHUTOFF
VALVE in position THEN beyond that there
will be another flange toward surface and so
on with flanges FLOTATION BALANCED so it
actually supports itself in the Gulf for
perhaps 80 sections lowered down into the
sea SUPER FLOTATION with a shutoff some 200
feet under the sea with a flexible pipe to
surface allowing barge to work the flow and
control the flow plus gas separator is a
must burning off the gas.
WILL THAT WORK SUFFICIENTLY now that you
have shown the connections on the BOP and
the FEMALE flange will WORK with full size
21 inch Riser PIPE ????
Got to go to sleep soon. Talk it over with
the Experts…. YOU CAN PICKUP AND FLY THAT
FLANGE FROM BOP TOP TO THE CRANE UNIT FOR
LOWERING THEN CUT THE FLANGE FREE since the
flange seems to have super heavy crack
potential from stress right now on the .812
thickness RISER. IT MAY NOT HOLD LONG !
BRANKO R. BABIC COUNTER
PRESSURE PLUG MIGHT NOT WORK WITH THE
CONDITION OF RISER AT BEND AND UP SOME 18
INCHES...
June
02, 2010
Thanks
JIM. Now that the damaged riser out of the
FLANGE is blowing, someone better call
Cameron BOP manufacturers and see if they
have another TOP FLANGE to allow the present
one to be removed and you will need extra
bolts and extra nuts PLUS socket sets for
ROV or BOX WRENCHES FOR ROV with either
small wire holding the nut inside the box
end (9 needed) or socket (9) needed if there
are 6 bolts….increase if 8 to 10 units.
We sent
a message moments ago to Rear Admiral Landry
about same. WE ALL HOPEFULLY ARE WORKING
ON THIS PROBLEM WITH IDEAS WHICH ANY
UNDERGROUND CONTRACTOR OR PLUMBING
CONTRACTOR CAN TELL YOU ARE FOOLPROOF.
Flotation Riser GE 21 inch like shown is the
KEY but I still hope someone will put in a
riser female to shutoff to female flange
item as the FIRST link down on bottom.
June
02, 2010
I am
still watching the ROV working holding
on to some BOLTS or NUTS on the
flange. Again, a similar flange can be
received to allow hooking up of 21 inch
riser pipe then notice WHICH bolts near
WHICH SMALL PIPES is connected then have
down bolts to guide into flange by ROV
making crane lower precisely over flange
from surface. Somewhere ON TOP RISER
there must be not only FLOTATION PIPING
but GATE VALVE to shut it down if
necessary to allow more connections
going UP to surface ALL ON FLOTATION
PIPE which will stand alone in the sea
and NOT push down on the flange or riser
bottom.
I can
see one ROV holding a BOX WRENCH on the
underneath NUTS while the TOP ROV ARM
uses hydraulics to turn COUNTER
CLOCKWISE the BOLT head or NUT to allow
same to fall free. Notice some GO UP
and SOME GO DOWN to allow connections
with box wrenches or HYDRAULIC TURNED
SOCKETS powered by ROV movements and
RATCHETING to allow continuous
tightening. Since the FEMALE FLANGE
bottom section is attached by one bolt
perhaps set down with crane with top
open, the pressure will be NIL and allow
WITH THE SAME CONFIGURATION another
flange with flotation pipe to be placed
on the flange being SUPER SURE the male
projections with RUBBER OR SOME ANNULAR
MATERIAL MATCH then it is simple to
remember to use the SAME BOLT PATTERN
NUTS UP OR NUTS DOWN ALL AROUND THE
FLANGE tightened with ROV's working
together.
Really
believe the BOP FLANGE is available from
the MANUFACTURER and flange female RISER
attached would allow building all the
way to the TOP OF THE GULF. My concern
and insistence would be to have a
SHUTOFF VALVE WITH FLANGE WELDED ASHORE
AND BECOME THE FIRST ITEM CONNECTED TO
THE BOP TOP then you could really
restrict flow to 1 inch size allowing
pressure to release while you attached
FLOTATION RISERS FROM GE 21 inches to
surface.
Will
hope the messages are getting through to
your command center and someone at BP
should be checking with UNDERGROUND
UTILITY CONTRACTORS AND PLUMBING
CONTRACTORS WHO HAVE USED THIS SAME
METHOD IN THE PAST ! ANY STATE
CERTIFIED CONTRACTOR UNDERGROUND UTILITY
OR PLUMBING CAN TELL YOU HOW TO FIX THIS
FLANGE UNDERWATER ANY DEPTH. COUNTY OR
CITY WORKERS DO IT ALL OVER THE STATE
EVERY DAY AT TIMES.
BTW: My
partner is 80 and when she goes away to
UF/TREEO for recertification sometimes
people ask how a frail woman pulls on
the box wrenches or sockets with super
heavy nuts and bolts and she will calmly
hand them the socket over the nut then
go get a 2 or 3 inch diameter 10 foot
long pipe as a cheater bar and put it
over the box wrench then knowing which
way is OFF she will walk toward that
section to unloosen with it on her
belly.......LEVERAGE IS A GREAT TEACHER
! May be necessary down at 5000 feet
because the bolts even though painted
may be hard to turn so a PIPE is
something needed by both ROV units
perhaps BUT IT WILL WORK. Box
wrenches
with NUTS can be taped with scotch tape
then held up as the BOLT WITH NUT IS
TURNED BY ROV HYDRAULICALLY.....DO NOT
LOOSE YOUR NUTS UNDERWATER. IF 8 BOLTS
you need 10 NUTS AND 10 BOLTS just in
case ONE DROPS. Hint !
Here's my
idea on stopping the leak on oil rig, it's
very simple have a deflated heavy duty air
bag like the one used on semi's air
suspension. Air bag will be tied to
submarine, submarine will have to have
compressed air. Have the air bag place in
pipe were oil is leaking with submarine
with robotics arm. Once the bag in the pipe
inflated with compressed air. This will
happen very fast and might move submarine
around. Various type of heavy duty bags my
be used if this on doesn't work. Could have
a air bad with ridges in the outside to get
traction on the pipe when it inflates. Hope
it works.
Thanks
Dennis Trujillo
my phone no. is 505-665-5203 or 505-927-5282
Just a
suggestion - enter the top portion of
the BOP and insert a Packer unit to
seal. Follow through the packer with
tooling to control or work the well.
Baker Hughes would be a good resource to
see if their packer design is adequate
for this application. Leo Gomez is a
Project Engineer with Liner Hanger
Engineering at Baker, 713-934-4107, may
be of assistance in giving you
information or direction. Best wishes
on this project.
Water faucets are constantly
under pressure yet they clog
with sediment over time.
I suggest using rip rap or
very large boulders perhaps
the size of half a car to
begin with.
As they reduce the pressure
of the oil move to smaller
boulders. As the pressure is
diffused move from
boulders to large rocks.
It would all work with
gravity. Monitor the effect
and move to smaller rocks
until pressure is so
diffused that smaller and
smaller rocks eventually
plug any remaining pressure
and leaks with pea gravel
eventually or even sand.
delmariani@att.net
a.campeau04@videotron.ca
mulhauler9@hughes.net
Hi
I
have an idea to share with some
one and here is a basic concept
of what it is. This idea would
be a sleeve type plug that would
be installed on the 21" outside
diameter of the pipe. The
sleeve plug design would fit
over the pipe even if it is out
of round. The sealing gasket
would be made in a trapezoid
shape and is forced in place
against the pipe OD via internal
machined conical rings inside
the sleeve. The design would
allow to use the internal
pressure of the oil in the pipe
to apply external pressure to
the gasket to seal it.
The
sleeve pipe seal would be
lowered over the pipe, the
gasket seals would be energized
to seal to the pipe. The top of
the sleeve would have a large
gate or globe valve that would
be left in the open position
when installing the sleeve.
After installation, the valve
would be closed. I have a sketch
of this concept if some one is
interested in talking to me.
Tony
Berg
509-535-9683 (work phone)
An
engineer for Saudi Aramco named Nick
Pozzi has a solution. He suggested
doing what they did in 1993 in the
Persian Gulf, which is to use super
tankers to suck the oil up. His
business partner in Texas could give
you any information you may need.
The business partners name is Jon
King, and his number is
1-713-981-9595. The method I am
suggesting has already been employed
in the past. The last effort that
employed this method in 1993 was
successful in recapturing 85% of the
oil. The oil was refined and the
clean water placed back into the
Persian Gulf. You speak of finding a
successful solution; well this is
it, I pray that you contact this man
to begin cleaning up the mess down
there. The money it may cost to
clean up the damaged area is nothing
compared to what BP would have to
pay in the long term on
environmental cleanup. Thank you for
your time. Sincerely, Brent Root
My
idea for stemming the leak until the
more definitive relief wells are
complete involves the following:
It uses the idea that along the
plume of oil and gas gushing out of
the leaking well there is a height
along the plume at which if the
force of the jet can be diffused by
trapping it into a device with a
large surface area where the force
of the jet can be decreased enough
to hold the barrier in place and
does not break away.
For example a parachute dome made
from a sponge like material which
will provide an almost infinite
amount of surface area to diffuse
the forces of the jet can be used.
This sponge parachute dome will
partially absorbs oil and also
serves as a barrier to hold the oil
in place.
Flexible pipes or hoses can be
constructed into the spongy walls of
the parachute to pump oil out of the
dome into waiting ships which will
separate and save the oil while
pumping the water back into the
ocean. The latter separation
technology I am sure exists and can
be based on simple surface tension
principles i.e oil will float,
therefore can be separated.
Because the entire device will
consist of completely flexible parts
it will allow for changes in
pressure, ocean currents etc.
I suspect the ease and cost of
constructing such a device will be a
fraction of all the methods being
tried currently.
I also think such a device may be
versatile enough to be used on the
surface of the ocean or within large
plumes to capture and separate the
oil.
Obviously, petroleum engineers,
physicists etc will have to come up
with the materials and the actual
specifications to make this idea
workable. I am a physician and such
determinations are out of my
expertise.
Attached is a diagram of the
preliminary design for this device.
I can be contacted at
daisychet@hotmail.com
D. Kuchinad
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